SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
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Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
Ok
I Received the reader yesterday.
The RFID reader is more sensitive then the one i was using before.
- I just swapped the old raid reader with the new one, without modifications it's just working.
- After that, i replaced the esp module with a new 12F one, uploaded the latest version of espeasy, made some basic rules and i can confirm that's working out of the box also. My door opens after reading a valid key.
- Next thing is to get fingerprints working, did some testing. The readings are fast and accurate. Once a finger is added, it sends u unique id over the wiegand interface. The ID is just some id, every new finger is just the baseID + 1.
- There is no ID send when the finger is not "programmed" into the device, so you need to keep the two RFID Tags.
So the summary:
The RFID reader is working out of the box with espeasy + level shifter.
The fingerprint reader is working also, it's sending finger id's to the esp module / domoticz.
The doorbell is connecting two pin's when the button is pushed, i tried putting one pin to GND, the other to a GPIO input port, but then the reader won't boot. For now i attached my classic doorbel to the pins.
Problem:
I might have a defective item, or i'm doing something wrong. The reader starts beeping after two / three minutes. After those beeps, it stops reading fingers. The RFID reader remains working, the lights remain on. I have tried without the wiegand / doorbell wires connected, but it's not helping.
Do you have the same experience? And do you know what the button below the reader is doing?
I Received the reader yesterday.
The RFID reader is more sensitive then the one i was using before.
- I just swapped the old raid reader with the new one, without modifications it's just working.
- After that, i replaced the esp module with a new 12F one, uploaded the latest version of espeasy, made some basic rules and i can confirm that's working out of the box also. My door opens after reading a valid key.
- Next thing is to get fingerprints working, did some testing. The readings are fast and accurate. Once a finger is added, it sends u unique id over the wiegand interface. The ID is just some id, every new finger is just the baseID + 1.
- There is no ID send when the finger is not "programmed" into the device, so you need to keep the two RFID Tags.
So the summary:
The RFID reader is working out of the box with espeasy + level shifter.
The fingerprint reader is working also, it's sending finger id's to the esp module / domoticz.
The doorbell is connecting two pin's when the button is pushed, i tried putting one pin to GND, the other to a GPIO input port, but then the reader won't boot. For now i attached my classic doorbel to the pins.
Problem:
I might have a defective item, or i'm doing something wrong. The reader starts beeping after two / three minutes. After those beeps, it stops reading fingers. The RFID reader remains working, the lights remain on. I have tried without the wiegand / doorbell wires connected, but it's not helping.
Do you have the same experience? And do you know what the button below the reader is doing?
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
had the reader running for testings around 30 minutes. i heard no beepes.
mine reader appeard to me as without any malfunction.
i also wanted to use the bell-button, but had to time to check this,
which button on the button of the reader do you mean? you have a picture?
(sorry, but i am on the road for a round 14 days..so updates from me are may less frequent here...)
mine reader appeard to me as without any malfunction.
i also wanted to use the bell-button, but had to time to check this,
which button on the button of the reader do you mean? you have a picture?
(sorry, but i am on the road for a round 14 days..so updates from me are may less frequent here...)
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Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
Thanx for your reply.tozett wrote:had the reader running for testings around 30 minutes. i heard no beepes.
mine reader appeard to me as without any malfunction.
i also wanted to use the bell-button, but had to time to check this,
which button on the button of the reader do you mean? you have a picture?
(sorry, but i am on the road for a round 14 days..so updates from me are may less frequent here...)
After some further investigation i think i found and solved the problem.
There was one tanta condensor inside the reader not well soldered. I applied some more tin, reconnected the reader and the problem appears to be solved
So everything is working as expected. I made a factory reset. After this reset new learned fingers get id 2001 2002 2003 etc.
The button i meant was the status led button, it has red / blue led and a switch. Haven't figured out what that's good for.
Thanks for the suggestion, i really like this device, although i have my doubts about the weather, i don't think its gonna last very long outside. For some reason i thought it was water resistant, but as far as i can see, it's not.
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Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
This are the rules i use to trigger my lock:
This way, your problem with lost tags is resolved, just remove the item from the rules list.
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on RFID#Tag=1003 do
Pulse,5,1,5000
endon
on RFID#Tag=1001 do
Pulse,5,1,5000
endon
on RFID#Tag=1002 do
Pulse,5,1,5000
endon
on RFID#Tag=1003 do
Pulse,5,1,5000
endon
on RFID#Tag=1004 do
Pulse,5,1,5000
endon
on RFID#Tag=1005 do
Pulse,5,1,5000
endon
on RFID#Tag=12345 do
Pulse,5,1,5000
endon
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
yeah, cool idea with rules.
in my personal stetting, i send the ID allways from the reader direct to my homeserver. either way if finger or key.
on the homeserver, i check if the ID has a valid timeslot for opening.
so i limit the parcel-and-post-service-keys to workdays from 09:00-18:00 as valid time for openings.
feels only more secure...
if you take the id from the list, surely no key-open anymore.
but i was wondering, how the chinese inventor thought to solve the problem, to remove a key which is lost and therefore cannot be presented to the reader anymore for removal..
timeslots could be done with rules also, thats a good direction to go...
maybe a plugin with web-input-forms would be the best option for any future-plans with key-system...
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in my personal stetting, i send the ID allways from the reader direct to my homeserver. either way if finger or key.
on the homeserver, i check if the ID has a valid timeslot for opening.
so i limit the parcel-and-post-service-keys to workdays from 09:00-18:00 as valid time for openings.
feels only more secure...
if you take the id from the list, surely no key-open anymore.
but i was wondering, how the chinese inventor thought to solve the problem, to remove a key which is lost and therefore cannot be presented to the reader anymore for removal..
timeslots could be done with rules also, thats a good direction to go...
maybe a plugin with web-input-forms would be the best option for any future-plans with key-system...
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Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
simplified my setup,
as i found that one can risk to give 5V on the GPIO of the ESP module,
i left out the level-shifter. It is working!
i addtitionally hooked up a modern NFC-Reader-Breakoutboard (ISO/IEC 14443)
http://www.elechouse.com/elechouse/inde ... ts_id=2242
to have both frequencies on NFC/RFID.
i mounted it outside, see what the winter brings to (me and) the reader
ps: i found the blue button in the lower half, underneath the finger-area.
if you hold him, the color gets red... hmmmm
as i found that one can risk to give 5V on the GPIO of the ESP module,
i left out the level-shifter. It is working!
i addtitionally hooked up a modern NFC-Reader-Breakoutboard (ISO/IEC 14443)
http://www.elechouse.com/elechouse/inde ... ts_id=2242
to have both frequencies on NFC/RFID.
i mounted it outside, see what the winter brings to (me and) the reader
ps: i found the blue button in the lower half, underneath the finger-area.
if you hold him, the color gets red... hmmmm
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Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
the fingerprint-area is constantly glowin in green.
on my other fingerprint, this was only happen, if one approaches the reader, or the finger went to the area.
now i have a green-glow on my frontdoor.
did someone recognized, if one can turn this off?
maybe the security-level (whats this?) can change it?
glad, if someone can give me a hint, and its easy (no soldering)...
on my other fingerprint, this was only happen, if one approaches the reader, or the finger went to the area.
now i have a green-glow on my frontdoor.
did someone recognized, if one can turn this off?
maybe the security-level (whats this?) can change it?
glad, if someone can give me a hint, and its easy (no soldering)...
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
the button underneath the green-glowing fingerprint-area,
which has blue-/red-light for normal-mode/programming-mode,
can be pressed. my small doku-sheet has a picture, which calls this button
"Activation-Key".
What is is good for? if i press it, the light goes RED..hhhmmm
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for deletion of lost keys/fingers: one can save all IDs to an SD-Card,
edit/delete some Keys, and Upload it again ..
which has blue-/red-light for normal-mode/programming-mode,
can be pressed. my small doku-sheet has a picture, which calls this button
"Activation-Key".
What is is good for? if i press it, the light goes RED..hhhmmm
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for deletion of lost keys/fingers: one can save all IDs to an SD-Card,
edit/delete some Keys, and Upload it again ..
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Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
ACTIVATION key...
i am now using the fingerprint.
and sometimes it does not sense a finger lying onto the reader-area.
if i then press this Activation-buttion, the reader starts reading.
maybe thats what it is meant for ...
i am now using the fingerprint.
and sometimes it does not sense a finger lying onto the reader-area.
if i then press this Activation-buttion, the reader starts reading.
maybe thats what it is meant for ...
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Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
I have the same problem.tozett wrote:the fingerprint-area is constantly glowin in green.
on my other fingerprint, this was only happen, if one approaches the reader, or the finger went to the area.
now i have a green-glow on my frontdoor.
did someone recognized, if one can turn this off?
maybe the security-level (whats this?) can change it?
glad, if someone can give me a hint, and its easy (no soldering)...
It's green all the time. It's not reading my finger however after a few minutes.
I'm thinking it might have something to do with the level shifting. I will try to disconnect the data wires and see of that's helping.
The button doesn't seem to work / do anything, but its switching according to my multimeter.
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
my reader is mounted on the frontdoor. outside.
now as it getting colder, it takes some minutes with the finger strongly pressed onto the reader, that after sometime the reading starts.
i here the beeps, if the reader has done its work.
seems somehow less with espeasy,
more with the reader itself.
i assume that the reader senses for the finger/body temperature, than starts reading.
now as it is colder outside, the finger has to warm up the reader-plate. after 1-2 minutes of warming up, the reader starts normal reading..
it my assumption is true, you could check with warming up the reader plate or warming up the finger with warm breathing against the finger (and strong pushing against the plate). than reading seems as in summer ...
maybe there can be found an electronic enhancement? you had it once open....
now as it getting colder, it takes some minutes with the finger strongly pressed onto the reader, that after sometime the reading starts.
i here the beeps, if the reader has done its work.
seems somehow less with espeasy,
more with the reader itself.
i assume that the reader senses for the finger/body temperature, than starts reading.
now as it is colder outside, the finger has to warm up the reader-plate. after 1-2 minutes of warming up, the reader starts normal reading..
it my assumption is true, you could check with warming up the reader plate or warming up the finger with warm breathing against the finger (and strong pushing against the plate). than reading seems as in summer ...
maybe there can be found an electronic enhancement? you had it once open....
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
Good afternoon,
i'm working on a similar project in which i'm considering 250 tags to allow to power on a switch to open a door.
Can you explain (please the easy way) what to do to allow a sort of "allowed list?" to use in events?
Thank you very much.
Luca
i'm working on a similar project in which i'm considering 250 tags to allow to power on a switch to open a door.
Can you explain (please the easy way) what to do to allow a sort of "allowed list?" to use in events?
Thank you very much.
Luca
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
In this Reader you can allow Tags directly by the Reader.
But i did not wire the Reader with the Lock!!
I personally allow all Tags, than get the tag-id from the Reader to the espeasy, and from there forward it to my allow list in My Homeserver. I don't use Events for this.
Any other question?
But i did not wire the Reader with the Lock!!
I personally allow all Tags, than get the tag-id from the Reader to the espeasy, and from there forward it to my allow list in My Homeserver. I don't use Events for this.
Any other question?
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
Hello,
for maybe 10 to 15 tags that might be possible with ESPEasy directly by using rules.
But 250 tags is far beyond the capacity of ESPEasy together with ESP8266 memory.
Second, it will be a hassle to keep that list up to date with ESPEasy.
You would have to edit the rules manually everytime a tag changes.
There are two ways to work around this:
Use an ESP with 4 MB Memory and write your own software for it. Might work.
Or use a small computer like a Raspberry and a software like FHEM, Domoticz, OpenHAB or similiar.
As even a Raspberry can handle a (small) database, it would be much more comfortable this way.
The ESP just reads the tag, sends data and receives the "Open" command when the tag is valid.
Regards
Shardan
for maybe 10 to 15 tags that might be possible with ESPEasy directly by using rules.
But 250 tags is far beyond the capacity of ESPEasy together with ESP8266 memory.
Second, it will be a hassle to keep that list up to date with ESPEasy.
You would have to edit the rules manually everytime a tag changes.
There are two ways to work around this:
Use an ESP with 4 MB Memory and write your own software for it. Might work.
Or use a small computer like a Raspberry and a software like FHEM, Domoticz, OpenHAB or similiar.
As even a Raspberry can handle a (small) database, it would be much more comfortable this way.
The ESP just reads the tag, sends data and receives the "Open" command when the tag is valid.
Regards
Shardan
Regards
Shardan
Shardan
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
Hello again and thanks. From your answer i understand how poor my post was.
Scenario is:
- domoticz on raspberry pi
- esp8266 sending to idx XX the tag when read.
I work in a tennis club with 250 users and i need to create zones allowed to a part of them and park for all. I've done a test making all up for 1 tag and using events (i'm not a programmer so i use skratch ) and it works perfectly.
Problem is that i can't do it for 250 users. So what i need to do is to create a sort of user profiling (that is present in domoticz) and let this working with events (and this seems not possible in skretch unfortunetely).
The list should be editable (let me say a sort of csv somewhere to change in case of expiring for example).
Sorry again for the SMS i've sent before and I hope this new task is more clear.
Tnx to all.
Luca
Scenario is:
- domoticz on raspberry pi
- esp8266 sending to idx XX the tag when read.
I work in a tennis club with 250 users and i need to create zones allowed to a part of them and park for all. I've done a test making all up for 1 tag and using events (i'm not a programmer so i use skratch ) and it works perfectly.
Problem is that i can't do it for 250 users. So what i need to do is to create a sort of user profiling (that is present in domoticz) and let this working with events (and this seems not possible in skretch unfortunetely).
The list should be editable (let me say a sort of csv somewhere to change in case of expiring for example).
Sorry again for the SMS i've sent before and I hope this new task is more clear.
Tnx to all.
Luca
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
You have the hardware you need in place. Working. Fine.
You only have to find a system on domoticz or rasperry (python/bash-script) to handle the 250 keys....
There are certain many ways to do this...hmmm
This is maybe at least not the best thread for this certain programming task on domoticz/raspberry/linux ...
You only have to find a system on domoticz or rasperry (python/bash-script) to handle the 250 keys....
There are certain many ways to do this...hmmm
This is maybe at least not the best thread for this certain programming task on domoticz/raspberry/linux ...
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
Anyway every tag/id is only around 15 characters, so 250 could be handled. Maybe takes longer to search through a list of 250tags, until door finally opens.
No impossible, but domoticz/raspberry is a cheap and powerful enough plattform to build up a control system for this 250 tags. But...it has to be build up somehow, i guess..
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
The ESP has only some KB of RAM.
Most of it is taken by ESPEasy already, so even if you flash a list of 250 tags to keep it out of memory, working off the list will be difficult with the left RAM.
Remember, at the actual state there is not enough ram for compiling all modules so the developer had to take off some modules already.
A rule set will work for some tags. with 250 tags the rule list is too long for memory and it might be too slow.
Regards
Shardan
Most of it is taken by ESPEasy already, so even if you flash a list of 250 tags to keep it out of memory, working off the list will be difficult with the left RAM.
Remember, at the actual state there is not enough ram for compiling all modules so the developer had to take off some modules already.
A rule set will work for some tags. with 250 tags the rule list is too long for memory and it might be too slow.
Regards
Shardan
Regards
Shardan
Shardan
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
Yeap. I use spiff (Filesystem) to store static htm files. If i call them with Browser, it (sometimes) takes a bit, but it is always working. So 250 tags could go onto spiffs-filesystem in a text-file. This could easy be edited in Browser. There a some examples for this here in the forum. And example code parts on github for a Solutions like this.
But the full Solutions still needs to be sort of coded from this snippets...
But at least still doable on the espeasy, i believe..
For more Speed i would consider going on the rasperry/linux track...and still code there something...
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
From the "ESPEasy MEGA Forum Thread:
Surely it will be possible if you create a kind of "downgraded" or "naked" ESPEasy for a new plugin.
I agree it makes more sense to do that on a Raspberry-like device.
Regards and Happy Easter Ddays
Shardan
I assume that a quasi-database function will take more memory then availlable.it wasn't actually a bug. with the new IR library we just hit our IRAM limit it seems. (and there is only 2-3k of IRAM to start with)
I created an overview of the different plugin sizes: https://github.com/letscontrolit/ESPEas ... _sizes.txt
I'm currently trying to reduce memory usage of the various plugins, but we might have to disable some plugins by default in the next versions.
Surely it will be possible if you create a kind of "downgraded" or "naked" ESPEasy for a new plugin.
I agree it makes more sense to do that on a Raspberry-like device.
Regards and Happy Easter Ddays
Shardan
Regards
Shardan
Shardan
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
I'm trying to connect a HID Miniprox to an esp8266-07 running esp easy mega. When I had it 'working' it wouldn't read everytime and would also return different values when it did.
Any tips?
Any tips?
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
hmmm, a HID-Device gives the Wiegand numbers or tag-ID as you would type it with a keyboard.
a HID-Device could also work as a mouse.
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_interface_device
i think espeasy can control other device types, but not HID without modifications.
my you check again here: https://www.letscontrolit.com/wiki/index.php/Wiegand-26
a HID-Device could also work as a mouse.
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_interface_device
i think espeasy can control other device types, but not HID without modifications.
my you check again here: https://www.letscontrolit.com/wiki/index.php/Wiegand-26
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
I'd like to replace my simple wiegand rfid reader by this reader, but i want to control when the lock is open and when it's closed.
Of course i can still use my old RFID tags, but i would love to combine it with fingerprint, and my doorbell is broken, so this seems a great upgrade of my perfectly working system to me. I don't expect i have to change my code, because it's using / working with wiegand already.
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Of course i can still use my old RFID tags, but i would love to combine it with fingerprint, and my doorbell is broken, so this seems a great upgrade of my perfectly working system to me. I don't expect i have to change my code, because it's using / working with wiegand already.
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Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
which reader? link?
what is your question?
what is your question?
Re: SOLVED/Working: Wiegand26 input from Fingerprint - and RFID Tag
Hello, I'd like to return to this reader (x660) but I've lost instructions with pinholes combination ( I remember something like 1881 etc.) Could I ask a picture of the manual? I couldn't find it anywhere.
Edit:
I think I got it, found this video: https://youtu.be/Dg_3PBV6ZOE
Thank you,
Piotr
Edit:
I think I got it, found this video: https://youtu.be/Dg_3PBV6ZOE
Thank you,
Piotr
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