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by Tebogo
10 Feb 2024, 00:46
Forum: RFLink: Nederlands support forum
Topic: Ondersteuning uno R4 WiFi
Replies: 3
Views: 273

Re: Ondersteuning uno R4 WiFi

Interssant, enige planning?

Ik heb nu een Arduino Uno R3, daarop past RFLink niet, zou graag m'n cc2500 i.c.m. m'n Livingcolors Gen.1 werkend krijgen.

Was helemaal blij met de veelbelovende rflink-site, totdat ik zag dat het alleen op een mega-baordje draait.

Ik wacht af ;)
by Tebogo
20 Jun 2021, 20:08
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Wifi connects but no web UI?
Replies: 8
Views: 5456

Re: Wifi connects but no web UI?

Strange, for me mega-20190227 does not work for me.
Last working build for me is 20190226. That why I suggested that.
by Tebogo
19 Jun 2021, 10:32
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Wifi connects but no web UI?
Replies: 8
Views: 5456

Re: Wifi connects but no web UI?

Hi guys, I just flashed ESP_Easy_mega_20210615_normal_ESP8266_1M Still have the same error. Once connected to wifi, I get connection timeout on the Web UI and no ping. Before setting the Wifi config, I was able to go to both: http://192.168.4.1/tools http://192.168.4.1/advanced Odd, very odd. Perha...
by Tebogo
18 Jun 2021, 16:45
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Wifi connects but no web UI?
Replies: 8
Views: 5456

Re: Wifi connects but no web UI?

Also, before setting-up your wifi, you can try to open a browser and open the tools or advanced page, http://192.168.4.1/tools of /advanced.
by Tebogo
17 Jun 2021, 22:04
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Wifi connects but no web UI?
Replies: 8
Views: 5456

Re: Wifi connects but no web UI?

Looks like same results and issue as I mentioned here, viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8575#p52931
Try this build, ESPEasy_mega-20190226.
Than install ESPEasy_mega-20190227
If ESPEasy_mega-20190226 works and ESPEasy_mega-20190227 not, it likely the same issue..
by Tebogo
16 Jun 2021, 17:01
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

TD-er wrote: 16 Jun 2021, 14:44 If those boards are the ones (multiple) that do not work, while others do, then I guess it may be a good idea to send one.
PM me your address, I'll send one today.
by Tebogo
16 Jun 2021, 15:05
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

TD-er wrote: 16 Jun 2021, 14:44 If those boards are the ones (multiple) that do not work, while others do, then I guess it may be a good idea to send one.
How is it powered?
Via USB, or do you supply your own voltage? On which pins?
Via the USB port, with a iPad 5.2V 2.5A adapter
by Tebogo
16 Jun 2021, 14:01
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Fact is that those later boards (also the Lolin D1 mini you linked) do have a voltage regulator which is far less powerful compared to the original (original as in "rev1") Wemos D1 mini boards. As you can see in the image, the voltage regulator is this 5-pins SOT-23 chip next to the pin l...
by Tebogo
16 Jun 2021, 11:17
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Just to be sure... have you tested with reduced WiFi TX power? Yes, did that in steps of -2.5 till 0. No success: Can you make a better close-up of the one that doesn't work? See attachement's I have never seen a module like that. I can send you one if you like, pm your address. It does look like a...
by Tebogo
15 Jun 2021, 21:26
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Did some research for you: 4 different type of ESP8266: Works with ESP_Easy_mega_20210503_normal_ESP8266_4M1M ESP Board ESP Chip ID: 11037035 (0xA8696B) ESP Chip Frequency: 80 MHz ESP Chip Model: ESP8266 ESP Chip Cores: 1 ESP Board Name: PLATFORMIO_ESP12E Storage Flash Chip ID: Vendor: 0x20 Device: ...
by Tebogo
15 Jun 2021, 10:30
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

I found one setting (security WPA2 Personal --> WPA2/WPA-mixed Personal) which I tried. Makes no difference... See @12398 INIT : Booting version: mega-20210503 (ESP82xx Core 2843a5ac, NONOS SDK 2.2.2-dev(38a443e), LWIP: 2.1.2 PUYA support) 76 : Info : INIT : Free RAM:33928 77 : Info : INIT : Warm bo...
by Tebogo
14 Jun 2021, 23:23
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

TD-er wrote: 14 Jun 2021, 23:22 Nope, I meant to start the AP mode on the ESP, while it is connected to the Linksys. (or your iPhone...)
Oke, did that ;-)
by Tebogo
14 Jun 2021, 23:18
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

You mean, connect to iPhone/iPad that is set as Hotspot? Tried that, I see on my iPhone that de ESP stays connected to the iPhone hotspot, but have the same problems... @206822 I also set WifiAPMode again... >reset RESET: Resetting factory defaults… using default settings RESET: Warm boot, reset co...
by Tebogo
14 Jun 2021, 22:51
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Can you, from the serial port, start the access point? ("WifiAPMode") Entered @146161 the command WifiAPMode. no success... 111583 : Info : WIFI : Arduino wifi status: WL_DISCONNECTED 6 ESPeasy internal wifi status: DISCONNECTED 111585 : Info : WIFI : Connecting Linksfpm close 3 ys Velop ...
by Tebogo
14 Jun 2021, 22:28
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Can you, from the serial port, start the access point? ("WifiAPMode") And maybe also connect to it using your phone or something. The AP will be closed again after 60 seconds if not used, which is even longer than the 10 sec disconnect you're seeing. The idea behind this is that when runn...
by Tebogo
14 Jun 2021, 22:26
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

TD-er wrote: 14 Jun 2021, 21:52 One other thing...
What can you configure in your access point?

Do you have a field for Beacon Interval and/or DTIM?

If you do, can you please tell me what those values are?
Nothing special, see pictures:
by Tebogo
14 Jun 2021, 22:05
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Will have a look at the logs in a minute, but I wonder if the iPad was able to connect before to the ESPEasy AP. I don't have any apple stuff other than what's in the fruit basket and maybe some old Beatles records. Yes, normally the iPad does connect. After connecting It opens automatically the we...
by Tebogo
14 Jun 2021, 21:33
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

So here is a first test build to at least be a bit more forgiving on "connecting" states: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vu9f8c1lz2omazn/_PR3676_handling_connecting_state_ESP_Easy_mega_20210614_normal_ESP8266_4M1M.bin?dl=0 It does not solve the problem. What I did: 1. flash and erase with 4Mb ...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 20:07
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

I know, it's a strange thing, but I'm not the first who already experienced this. In this Topic, you also already worked on it. I think we need a bit more info. How often does this occur? What have you tried to mitigate this issue? - Switch to B/G Wifi - Fix channel on Access point (preferred to use...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 16:15
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

I entered Debug 4. It gives you more details: INIT : Booting version: ‘bugfix/wifi_not_reconnect_56c4ca1’ (ESP82xx Core 2843a5ac, NONOS SDK 2.2.2-dev(38a443e), LWIP: 2.1.2 PUYA support) 77 : Info : INIT : Free RAM:32040 78 : Info : INIT : Soft Reboot #4 Last Action before Reboot: Intended Reboot: Co...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 15:55
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Aonther thing to try (more credible than the really odd suggestion on Reddit of using a complete nonsense subnet) Can you give the command wifidisconnect after it has made a connection? This will retry to connect to the AP, without performing a scan. I got the feeling that maybe things might get me...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 15:21
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Can you try setting the IP to a fixed setting? 89015 : Info : IP : Static IP : 10.187.1.143 GW: 10.187.1.254 SN: 255.255.255.0 DNS: 10.187.1.111 No solution: INIT : Booting version: ‘bugfix/wifi_not_reconnect_56c4ca1’ (ESP82xx Core 2843a5ac, NONOS SDK 2.2.2-dev(38a443e), LWIP: 2.1.2 PUYA support) 7...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 14:28
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Oke, we are a little bit further: The ESP with the latest build has been seen over UDP:8266 (see attached screenshot) But it's gone again. When I restart and immediately refresh the webpage of the other ESP's it comes back till age=10 Ping responds once (@118): ping 10.187.1.143 PING 10.187.1.143 (1...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 13:49
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

I have let your latest build run for a bit longer time, but it ends in the same condition.. 303964 : Info : WiFi : Start network scan all channels 303968 : Info : WIFI : Arduino wifi status: WL_IDLE_STATUS 0 ESPeasy internal wifi status: DISCONNECTED 306161 : Info : WiFi : Scan finished, found: 5 30...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 13:41
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

I've recently read a review of this Linksys Velop mesh router set, and the verdict was it has good potential, but many software issues/bugs, still. Have you checked for firmware updates for your AP? Yes, it has the latest firmware... 2.1.16.204145 And I do have the same problems when connecting to ...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 13:21
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

OK, new test build: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5q5qmifmvsx2k2i/_PR3676_processDisconnect_semaphore_ESP_Easy_mega_20210613_normal_ESP8266_4M1M.bin?dl=0 Based on your logs I did look again at the disconnect routine and found that there is a recently added semaphore to only handle the disconnect once. ...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 13:17
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Can you try this test build: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mg13ys8m5j2orke/_PR3676_noAutoReconnect_ESP_Easy_mega_20210613_normal_ESP8266_4M1M.bin?dl=0 I find it really strange the unit keeps getting disconnected. So I now force the SDK to not automatically reconnect. Maybe your unit has slightly differ...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 11:21
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Can you also enable NTP on Tools->Advanced? This does require the ESP to connect to the outside. Did that, and it looks like it connect to the NTP server, see logging, below: 134089 : Info : NTP : NTP replied: delay 745 mSec Accuracy increased by 1.152 seconds 134090 : Info : Time set to 1623575138...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 10:46
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Ath wrote: 13 Jun 2021, 09:51 And besides ping, you have tried to open your webbrowser on that IP-address, I assume? The connection seems stable now.
Yes, did that, but not accessible. Mostly I start trying to open the webpage. No response, than I try to ping ;-)
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 01:26
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

I do think it's not on Wifi level, but on IP level. 691547 : Info : WIFI : Arduino wifi status: WL_DISCONNECTED6 ESPeasy internal wifi status: DISCONNECTED 691561 : Info : WIFI : Connecting Linksys Velop WHW03 V2 30:23:03:AE:5D:83 Ch:2 (-84dBm) WPA2/PSK attempt #73 691566 : Info : WIFI : Arduino wif...
by Tebogo
13 Jun 2021, 00:19
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Just to be sure about the settings. What settings do you use? I don't have any setting, when I start. As you saw in earlier posts my flashing was always with a total erase. So the settings are the default settings which come with you bin file. After flashing the ESP reboots, with default settings. ...
by Tebogo
12 Jun 2021, 23:09
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

TD-er wrote: 12 Jun 2021, 23:04
Suggested settings:
- Force WiFi B/G: checked
- Force WiFi No Sleep: checked
- Periodical send Gratuitous ARP: checked
- CPU Eco Mode: unchecked
- Send With Max TX Power: checked
- Periodical Scan WiFi: unchecked
I'll try these one by one. If no result than combined.. Keep you posted.
by Tebogo
12 Jun 2021, 21:37
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

The --erase-all does indeed what it states :) Oke, ;-) solved the formatting question. For the record, also this brand new ESP works as supposed on mega-20190226 INIT : Booting version: mega-20190226 (ESP82xx Core 2_4_2, NONOS SDK 2.2.1(cfd48f3), LWIP: 2.0.3 PUYA support) 75 : RTC : Checksum error ...
by Tebogo
12 Jun 2021, 21:19
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

You still have the 'Formatting...' messages in your log, and AFAICS, that's not intentional. How big is the chance that your hardware is just kind of broken? (despite ancient versions that seem to work fine...) Is it cause by a setting in the flash command? Command: esptool.py --port /dev/cu.usbser...
by Tebogo
12 Jun 2021, 20:27
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

You still have the 'Formatting...' messages in your log, and AFAICS, that's not intentional. How big is the chance that your hardware is just kind of broken? (despite ancient versions that seem to work fine...) I do have some more ESP's, I'll grab another one, but already 2 have exactly the same re...
by Tebogo
12 Jun 2021, 19:57
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Sorry, but same behaviour, 273 : Info : INIT : Booting version: ‘bugfix/wifi_not_reconnect_56c4ca1’ (ESP82xx Core 2843a5ac, NONOS SDK 2.2.2-dev(38a443e), LWIP: 2.1.2 PUYA support) 274 : Info : INIT : Free RAM:32040 276 : Info : INIT : Cold Boot - Restart Reason: External System 277 : Info : FS : Mou...
by Tebogo
12 Jun 2021, 15:32
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Great, looking forward to test ! However I do find it very strange that your setup is apparently not working at all with builds of the past two years while lots and lots of other users have reported success. If you think a version should work of should give you more info, just tell me which one, I'm...
by Tebogo
12 Jun 2021, 13:27
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

So that would suggest they are not related... however it is indeed something that might be related somehow so I no longer dare to be very explicit in my opinion they are not related... I still can't update to a higher version than ESPEasy_mega-20190226. What else do you suggest to find the problem?...
by Tebogo
10 Jun 2021, 23:36
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Nope, same results: RESET: formatting done… 14838 : Info : SaveToFile: free stack: 3504 14902 : Info : FILE : Saved config.dat offset: 28672 size: 820 14903 : Info : SaveToFile: free stack after: 3504 14904 : Info : SaveToFile: free stack: 3568 14983 : Info : FILE : Saved config.dat offset: 0 size: ...
by Tebogo
10 Jun 2021, 23:22
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

That would be great. I found in the releasenotes : Changes in mega-20190227 (since mega-20190226): ESPEasy release bot (1): automatically updated release notes for mega-20190227 Gijs Noorlander (1): Fix build error TD-er (6): [Factory Reset] Make default switch/relay rules more intuitive [Factory Re...
by Tebogo
10 Jun 2021, 22:49
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

New info! Latest working version is ESPEasy_mega-20190226. When I install ESPEasy_mega-20190227 the problems start. Also the version ESPEasy_mega-20190301 and up... Back to ESPEasy_mega-20190226 solves the problem. So that must indicate where the problem starts. @TD, hope it al these info helps you ...
by Tebogo
10 Jun 2021, 17:07
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Have you tried: - A build with 'alt_wifi' in the name? (Uses a different Arduino Wifi setup) - A build with 'beta' in the name? (Uses a beta release of the Arduino libraries) Tested: ESP_Easy_mega_20210503_normal_alt_wifi_ESP8266_4M1M.bin ESP_Easy_mega_20210503_custom_alt_wifi_ESP8266_4M1M.bin ESP_...
by Tebogo
10 Jun 2021, 11:37
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Is there any information in this version (mega-20190225) which can indicate why the latest version (mega_20210503) give problems with these NodeMCU's (ESP8266)

Thank you!
by Tebogo
10 Jun 2021, 08:45
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Also mega-20190225 is working! Build:⋄ 20103 - Mega Libraries:⋄ ESP82xx Core 2_4_2, NONOS SDK 2.2.1(cfd48f3), LWIP: 2.0.3 PUYA support GIT version:⋄ mega-20190225 Plugins:⋄ 46 [Normal] Build time:⋄ Feb 25 2019 03:13:36 Binary filename:⋄ ESP_Easy_mega-20190225_normal_ESP8266_4M.bin Now up for 9 hour...
by Tebogo
09 Jun 2021, 23:19
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

However it still is very much possible that I made some mistake in the WiFi code which does manifest itself in your setup. On the other hand I have spent literally many 100's of hours finding bugs in WiFi which later appeared to be caused by flaky hardware. So forgive me if I keep pushing on making...
by Tebogo
09 Jun 2021, 22:39
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

I found this thread I have now again flashed the old version: mega-20180223. The module works fine. But, this version does not suit me, I want a new one! in this forum, and as he says, that old dino version mega-20180223, works directly without any problem. So it can't be the hardware... Also mega-2...
by Tebogo
09 Jun 2021, 16:49
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

The Fritz-box is my router to the internet. Normally I don't use the Wifi of the Fritz-box. Only switched on for these test results. Hereby a schematic drawing of my network. In the Mesh-network is where all my devices live, normally also the ESP... IMG_5032.jpg After setting the wifissid to ssid, I...
by Tebogo
09 Jun 2021, 15:09
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

Nope, same problem... only less logging, not continually switching between mesh-AP's I think it got to do something with IP. I have setup a Fritz-box, no mesh. The ESP connects, gets a ip-adress, but never responds on ip-ping, The Fritz-box has in the log the ESP has connected. logging on the ESP: 7...
by Tebogo
09 Jun 2021, 12:57
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

TD-er wrote: 09 Jun 2021, 12:54 Do you have a separate AP to test, which does not have some mesh layer activated?
Just to make sure the WiFi part of the ESP is stable. (both hardware and ESPEasy)
No problem, I'll try that. I'm glad to help to solve this.
by Tebogo
09 Jun 2021, 12:31
Forum: ESP Easy: Software
Topic: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU
Replies: 105
Views: 25523

Re: Latest versions crashes my NodeMCU

You don't need to reflash it, you can also turn on AP via the serial command or just erase the wifi credentials via the serial command. If you set the wifissid to "ssid" it will be considered as non-existing and then start the AP mode automatically. Thanks, that a lot easier!! Now on 5 dB...